In the second painting, I kind of make out a misshapen bird in front of an unfinished building . . .
Claudia
PHILISTINE!
Only messing. We’re all here to do what we’re all here to do. I myself am disdainful of certain intellectual or artistic values. Sinner that I am, I would never cast the first stone.
But, the thing is important here, I think is the different possible visuals in watching these paintings. You know, I mean if I want to refer to what Kitos told, if you watch a painting of a horse for example, for sure everyone will see a horse on it, but in such paintings, there is no unity in opinions, and the other part of these art refers to exploiting of some artists from the factor of ambiguity in them. For example, everyone can tries to sketch a painting like these and present them to people, some may have their comments on his work but the rest, probably would be confused by watching them.
You know Claudia, I think the most important thing in painting is factor of unity on it, not like these arts which represent the chaos, in my view.
Thats the thing which always confuses me with these modern things.
Mixmixi
Hi Mixi,
It’s mostly about being new and original. If you are the first to depict the sacrifice of a horse while fighting a bull, then it will surely make you famous. And if its symbolism describes the death of beauty and culture due to a Nazi air raid, then it’s probably bound to make you even more famous. So long as you are Pablo Picasso in 1937, that is.
Mixi,
to be honest, I don’t much care for the kind of paintings that Ralf showed us, either. What I like is the dreamlike atmosphere created by the surrealists, the strange juxtaposition of objects and the way the have treated something unreal as real. I also like painting that come from deep within, from the subconscious. Here are two examples:
Vladimir Kush:
or Salvador Dali:
This is also how I like “my” poetry. What do you think about those?
Claudia
P.S. However, I like the one he has just posted now!
They are OK, but I would never buy them.
youtube.com/watch?v=MjzFiQDG77g
Now, if I could only do this, I would be really happy.
Hi Ralf,
The real example of what I mean unity, whether it makes you famous or not (because being famous is not important in my opinion) can be such these paintings. The following painting is one of “Bob Ross” works. You see? All the things came together to show a united thing, called peace my friend. There is neither sacrificing a horse nor death of beauty, just peace my friend.
P.S: Bob Ross was not famous in his life time.
Hi Caludia
Agreed, I think they are same as my idea, but about the poems, I think it’s not proper to compare them with paintings.
Bill,
I’m not sure if you could buy them, even if you wanted to. They are hanging in museums. And if they were not in museums, they’d be much too expensive for the likes of us! 
Claudia
Mixi,
why is it not proper to compare poetry with paintings? Many poems had been written that were inspired by paintings and vice versa. Please explain this to me.
Claudia
P.S. Bob Ross was a lovely painter who hosted a TV show teaching basic painting.
Hi Bill,
I would be really appreciate if you don’t post links from Youtube, because this site is filtered in my country my friend and I am not capable to watch them.
Mixmixi
Claudia,
I think it’s not proper because the way that modern poets use to show their feelings on their poems really differs from the way that modern artists use to show their chaos. The type of unity really differs on either of those two things, in my opinion. You now, the modern paintings are seems to be more acceptable versus of modern poems because it’s not the chaos that blurs everything on them, it refers to their narrow meanings. For example, some people may not be capable to understand the meaning of a modern art, but those group may be capable to know the meaning of the modern poems which is nothing more than vanity.
P.S: I know Claudia, but he was not famous when he was alive, even with his TV show. But later on he died the people admired him for his work.
Mixmixi
Mixi,
proper means seemly. I’m not sure I understand you. In the first sentence you say that it is the modern poets who show feelings while the modern painters show only chaos. In the second sentence you say the modern painters are more acceptable than the poets and that the modern poems are only vain. I’m confused. 
Claudia
P.S. Bob Ross was famous in the U.S.A. where he came from.
LOL. Maybe I’ll be famous after I die, or infamous, or even more infamous!
Goodnight all!
Bill.
Do you mean that modernists poets are vain? If so, I would like to disagree. There were surely people like W.H. Auden or James Joyce who wrote to confront a dumbing-down human race, and these may surely be accused of a certain degree of vanity, but I don’t think this is true for most famous modernist/post-modernist writers after the 1930s.
As for Bob Ross - I know what you mean, Mixi. I was a Bob Ross fan in my early teens when I thought I was going to be a painter one day. Reality caught up with me, and education spoilt my modest and unpretentious character. I don’t want to sound like a sophisticated prick, but I have developed a penchant for everything that exudes some kind of subtle intellectual emanation these days. I’m not one for yoga, you see.
Claudia,
By proper I mean seemly that you mentioned. From the whole thing I meant that the way modern poets and modern artists use to show their feelings really differs with each other, modern artists use chaos as a major factor to reach their goals, whilst modern poets benefits narrow meaning of their poems.
Accept my apologize for my mistakes in writing … you know, being a new learner, non- native speaker, … lol
Mixmixi
Ralf,
I agree with you. I used to like the simple things also, and honestly, I still do. But as time went on, I also opened my eyes to different sights and developed a different kind of insight, perhaps not as advanced as yours, but different nonetheless.
Claudia
Guys,
Sorry for my excuse, I had to go right now, but tomorrow, first thing in the morning, I will answer your comments. This discussion is really interesting, I love it. See you tomorrow. Good night.
Mixmixi
Mixi,
that’s no problem at all. I can always ask if there is something confusing, so “no big deal”.
Narrow meaning doesn’t mean that a poem is garbage. A poem might just open your third eye and evoke pictures in your mind, without pushing a message down your throat. Or it might spark a feeling within you. Or an idea.
Claudia
Here’s another one of my all time favourite poems. Albeit being modernist, all it does is create an image, and there’s almost rhyme
The Panther by Rainer Maria Rilke
His vision, from the constantly passing bars,
has grown so weary that it cannot hold
anything else. It seems to him there are
a thousand bars and behind the bars, no world.
As he paces in cramped circles, over and over,
the movement of his powerful soft strides
is like a ritual dance around a center
in which a mighty will stands paralyzed.
Only at times, the curtain of the pupils
lifts, quietly—. An image enters in,
rushes down through the tensed, arrested muscles,
plunges into the heart and is gone.