It happened a couple of months ago when I was watching an english movie.
I heard one of the actors say “Jesus F***ing Christ”.
I was kind of shocked. I couldn’t believe he actually said it.
Is it acceptable (to Christians)? Is there something more to it?
Doesn’t the Church say anything against it? Or is there something I might want to know?
This is not acceptable in any case refering to all people not just “son of God”.
(Out of the scene of course.)
In Christians countries religion has been recognised as very bad part of our society life, mainly due
to its treachery character and injustice behaviour.
Try to critisized an actor or a regiseur of such spectale and you would face the open conflict.
In the theatre you may say mostly what ever you like , under one condition you wouldn’t attack any Jew exept of course from Jesus because he is mainly treated as out of diaspora since some time.
As you see we are paying for our sins even when we don’t know about it.
Jan
I heard one of the actors say “Jesus F***ing Christ”.
It’s not meant as an attack upon, or reference to, Christ, Christians of whatever. It’s nothing to do with Christ, in fact. It’s just a sound coming out of someone’s mouth.
I agree that it’s only a sound; but of course the collocation gains its effect by the combination of “fcking" and “Jesus Christ”. It would be faintly absurd to use "Mickey fcking Mouse!” as your oath of choice, for instance.
So to say that it’s “nothing to do with Christ” is not quite true: for some people, it would clearly break religious taboos.
Rhetorically, you could call it a form of dystmesis.
MrP
It would be faintly absurd to use “Mickey f*cking Mouse!” as your oath of choice, for instance.
Well Mickey’s only been around since Steamboat Willie and Christ since the Virgin Birth (the latter had nothing to do with willies, apparently :shock: ). There’s still plenty of time for Mickey to gain first place in the oath stakes.
A case of an implication and inference clash, I’d say.
In-blo*dy-deed you could.
I wouldn’t say that in church. People would not understand you.
Hi,
A milder form can be found in a song by Liza Dolittle in the musical based on Shaw’s play 'Pygmalion:
Alan
This is common.
No. Most Christians would consider it a sin against the second commandment, or something similar. They would consider it sinful without even inserting the F-word.
No. The guy was simply using the name of Christ as a curse word. Contrary to what Molly said, it does have something to do with Christ. Otherwise, why would people choose to use that name, instead of the name of Jimmy Carter, Marlon Brando or some other person from history?
The Catholic Church condemns that sort of language use all the time. So do the Orthodox churches, and so do the 256,427,938,724.5 various Protestant denominations. It doesn’t stop that kind of language from being used in the movies, because Hollywood likes to offend Christians. They never stop finding ways to do it.
No, I think you understood quite well what was going on.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I didn’t know there were so many. 
Jesus H. Christ!
I heard this one quite a few times. What does H stand for here?
Contrary to what Molly said, it does have something to do with Christ. Otherwise, why would people choose to use that name, instead of the name of Jimmy Carter, Marlon Brando or some other person from history?
Habit. Lack of imagination. When people sneeze and others say “Bless you”, do you think they are calling on God each time?
And are you saying that the speaker here is really thinking about the choice of cussword he is using? Are his utterances directly referential?
Molly: Aw look, J, it’s raining.
Jamie: Shit!
Molly: Aw look, J, it’s raining.
Jamie: Hell!
Molly: Aw look, J, it’s raining.
Jamie: Jesus…F-in…Christ!
Molly: Aw look, J, it’s raining.
Jamie: Damn!
Molly: Aw look, J, it’s raining.
Jamie: Bollocks!
It doesn’t stand for anything. Just like the S in the name of president Harry S. Truman. Harry Truman’s middle name was “S”.
It’s used to jokingly imply that “Christ” is a surname.
I’d say you’ve never lived on Long Island, Jamie. :lol: It’s not just a Hollywood thing.
I lived and worked in the NYC area for a few years and still vividly remember the incredible frequency with which people used the F-word. As a non-native of metro NYC, it seemed to me that people used the F-word multiple times in every single sentence they uttered. (That’s an exaggeration, of course, but nevertheless it reflects my reaction to the frequent usage of the word in that area.) The word was used not only as JC’s “middle name”, but also as a noun, as an adjective, as a verb, as an adverb, as an exclamation, as an added syllable – you name it! (Well, actually, I don’t remember it being used as a conjunction…) And it’s even used frequently by people you’d otherwise expect to speak in a more refined manner. The F-word doesn’t seem to shock or offend anyone there in the least – except non-natives. :shock:
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Is that really the intention of placing such language in flilms? I thought it was to give a true picture of life and language use among the characters being represented at a certain moment. So Hollywood sets out to offend Christians, right? News to me.
Why would a business set out to offend 256,427,938,724.5 potential customers?
This would be true if Hollywood actually attempted to give a true picture of life and language in the society its stories take place in, but it gives a famously inaccurate depiction, as any foreign college student in the US finds out the first time he tries to pick up a girl. People who arrive thinking American movies are realistic get themselves into a lot of trouble.
Hollywood often uses obscenity as a sort of shorthand for “truth” or “realism”, and often exaggerates it in the process.
Take it from me, a reformed trash mouth.
Are you saying that, in general, Hollywood intends to give an inaccurate picture of life and language in society? So not many people in real-life america use cusses such as “Jesus…F…**king…Christ”, right? Hollywood’s got it wrong there, right?
Also, in which way does Hollywood like to offend Christians?
Way to go!
[color=blue]“Rocco: Fcking… What the fck. Who the fck fcked this fcking… How did you two fcking fcks…
[shouts]
Rocco: fck!
Connor: Well, that certainly illustrates the diversity of the word.”
From Troy Duffy’s,The Boondock Saints.
God doesn’t like it, whether the offender is consciously or unconsciously taking the Lord’s name in vain. (at least the Yahweh/Jesus of the Holy Bible, Whose laws were etched in clay or stone in the form of the Ten Commandments)
…and to answer the middle-name question:
The “H” stands for “Harold”, Jesus’s middle name.
hehe
His full name is Jesus Harold Christ.
For some users it would clearly break religious taboos.
If X = “Jesus f*cking Christ”, not everyone in the set {people who have said X at least once} is a member of the set {people who habitually say X}.
For some members of the first set, the phrase would still have its “charge”, even though for those in the second set it has probably lost its meaning; and the “charge” would relate to the conjunction of sex and religion.
(If it had no “charge”, no one would have bothered to use the expression in the first place; and it certainly doesn’t relate to Steamboat Willie.)
MrP
I assume there are many more of one set than the other. What would you guess the ratio to be?