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Would you say these the findings based, on Lakoff’s work, are still the same today?

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Hi Molly, are her specimens native speakers of English only? Or do they include nonnatives too?

Native, I imagine. Would you identify with any of those?

With the latter, perhaps a little.

Me too, and tag questions.

I am surprised people associate it (tag questions) with women. I used to think that it’s British, meaning I don’t expect to hear it much from the American.

I hear that tags are used less in the US, but I don’t think tags are a particulary British thing.

Hi guys

I think it depends on the type of tag question.

In BrE it is typical to use many types of tags e.g. , don´t you?, isnt it?, should we? aren´t they?

I would say they are common place, but also present in AE.

But I would also say that there are common place regional tags that are used as a substitute for many different tag forms.

These range from; right, innit, to ay, eh.

The former occur frequently in BrE and the latter in AE respectively.

cheers stew.t.

Perhaps it is the same with women and men? :slight_smile:

But I can see you use a lot of question tags in your posts (just an impression).

Also, I think feature number 1 doesn’t belong to women either. I see a lot of celebrities, both male and female use them. I think it depends on the person’s level of education, background, or occupation. Maybe people from the linguistic background think it will be too simple-minded to use such language. But to some, it is an easy way to say “things” (see?).

Oh by the way, I don’t understand feature number 10. Would you be kind enough to explain it to me?

Hi Nina

I would back up your statement. I have many male friends that use “innit”, as their substitute tag.

cheers stew.t.

I didn’t know “eh” was a tag! :smiley:

I notice you too, are very fond of it. :smiley:

Hi Nina

Easier said than done, eh?

Of course, it is the drifting Northerner/Midlander coming out of me.

cheers stew.t.

According to Mr.Webster, “eh” is especially used in Canadian English, no wonder MM likes to use it!

I think that list is pretty much accurate – however, a language like English changes so much in 33 years (that study being published in, i believe, 1975) that you will oftentimes find men slipping in things from that list, with some frequency too.

I hope that’s a good thing. :slight_smile:

And I was told American men are more in touch with their feminine side compared to other races, such as German. So that is also an important factor.

I don’t know about that. Americans are much more conservative in their thinking than Europeans, and by and large not as friendly to feminist ideas. In fact, the very ideal of the “average American male” is a very sexist, macho one, and men and women who act outside of the accepted gender roles are very often times ostracized.

Soooo no, I’d say that’s wrong.

YOW! :?

For some reason you sound a lot like an American friend of mine, but of course I am always skeptical of the things he told me.

Perhaps there are differences in generations? Like, people in their 20’s or 30’s think less conservative than the ones in their 50’s?

I take it you are an American? And welcome to ETN!

Yes, I am American, although I speak French and Spanish in addition to English (I’m geographically blessed in a sense…)

Anyhow, yes, there are differences between generations, but not the kinds of differences you might think. The actual views towards gender/sex don’t change too terribly much, but they way they manifest themselves does. For example, older Americans are more likely to constantly bug their children about getting married, and single women are not looked upon as nicely. On the other hand, the younger generation, while generally being more liberal on things like single women or women in the work place, are more likely to openly insult things as being “gay” (degrading to homosexuals).

But yeah, in general gender roles are taken very seriously, as is the ‘traditional family’. Religion is very, very oftentimes the justification or basis for these beliefs, and people who are nonreligious/nonchristian are oftentimes seen as outsiders or unwanted. Of course, this kind of thing happens elsewhere, but I find Europeans are much less likely to think like this, and in fact I know a lot of Europeans (rightly in my opinion) regard us as backwards because of it.

Geography is really what changes things, now that I think about it. In the North East, people tend to be more liberal, as well as on the west coast. People in the south and midwest are typically very religious and very traditional. Also, rural areas no matter where you are tend to be conservative, and urban areas tend to be more liberal (at least than the towns on the outskirts)

I think the geographical factor is the same anywhere around the world. It is true here in Japan, it is also true back in my home country.

But ultimately, I think it really depends on the individual himself.