Hello Tom, It’s the first time we have spoken.
Your opinion of MM is not of the slightest interest to me.
It’s your opinion and you are quite entitled to it.
If the moderators see fit to delete my post or to ban me from the Forum, that is their prerogative.
In the interim, please recognise the old maxim ; One dog, one bone.
No offence intended Tom.
Kitos.
I would second Tom’s post in every detail.
On the question of pronunciation, Alan’s version represents standard British English. K’s is fine for a native speaker; but a similar pronunciation would probably sound like an error, in an ESL student.
MrP
I completely agree with Tom’s post as well.
As for the pronunciation of the word “budget”, the standard pronunciation on the American side of the pond is basically identical to Alan’s pronunciation. So in this case, there is little or no difference between the standard British pronunciation and the mainstream American pronunciation.
I might equate Kitodad’s variant pronunciation of the word “budget” with the variant pronunciation of the word “water” that can be heard in the greater Philadelphia area in the US. If you are ever in the Philadelphia area, you might want to keep in mind that people there don’t ever drink “water” at all; they only drink “wooder” there.
:lol:
However, I would not recommend that an ESL student make it a point to learn and use this variant pronunciation of “water” because it is used only in an extremely limited area of the English-speaking world.
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Good morning guys. I would only ask, what is the point of having a voice recording facility if not to allow people with regional dialects to use it?
I have had dozens of requests from a site founder to record a multiple of messages, without a suggestion of complaint.
Surely, if someone asks how a word is said/pronounced, then it is far better that they hear a vocal reply as opposed to a long-winded grammatical explanation, which I doubt most would be at a loss to understand.
I may be mistaken, but I thought this Forum was to help people learn not only how English is written, but also how it sounds, regional accents, warts and all.
Kitos.
Of course it is and of course you can, Kitosdad-- and it is a valuable adjunct to the site. What started this is that you seemed to think it the definitive be-all and end-all, with no respect for other efforts. Consider your remark at that time: ‘Forget the fancy explanations’.
Hi,
I’d like to come in here as this flurry of comments has brought matters to a head that have occupied my thoughts for some time. I certainly don’t like name calling on this forum and in that respect I must chide Bill for having done that. But there is a broader issue. The facility for anyone to be able to record a message on the site is remarkable and there have been some valiant subscribers who have made use of it by leaving messages and also reading out the three short stories I wrote for that purpose. They do however need to be encouraged and the best way to do this is by example. I frequently record my comments mainly because I think a point (particularly a conversation one) can be made more effectively if it is spoken aloud. Torsten is of course also a practising enthusiast on the facility. I think the rather ‘purist’ attitude that we can’t say something like this or like that because a learner might pick up an unusual accent can best be accommodated if more native English speakers added their recordings, too. Let’s not be over didactic in our approach to pronunciation. Let’s hear some more accents - the more the merrier. Why there’s an American lady who reads out my stories! I put down the request for some more American English speakers or any other native English speakers to add their contributions. Heaven forbid that my voice become the gold standard on this site!
Alan
Good morning Alan and Mr. M
Upon reflection my remark may have came across in a manner which was taken too seriously. It was not proffered in that manner.
OK, I may be brusque sometime, but to pour scorn on my accent is a bit of a red-flag area for anyone I’m afraid.
Mr. M, I also take you to task for quoting that I gave you a mandate to record your voice. I did no such thing! I simply asked why, when you were already decked out with a headset, that you hadn’t taken a moment to vocalise your pronunciation of the word.
I also take you to task with your “withdrawing your support” of me.
I’ve never been aware of your supporting me in anything, at any time, but of course you chose to offer no further input on this item.
Lastly, regional accents are spoken by teachers all across England. Just because a teacher speaks with a broad Liverpool, Birmingham, or Manchester accent doesn’t mean he isn’t a good teacher.
Kitos.
I have no headset, Kitosdad, and I do not and do not wish to speak on the internet. And I will not be ‘taken to task’ by you. Step outside, sir. Marquess of Queensberry rules. And which broad accent is yours?
Rather strange that someone who has no headset, was able to state that my pronunciation was not very good! We’ll let that one slide shall we?
You know my accent is Geordie, and I am proud of it, as any other person with an accent should be. I have advocated on numerous occasions that no-one should try to alter their accents.
As for stepping outside … :lol: … only someone as far away as Japan would be suicidal enough to say that. :lol: However, if you were to pay my return ticket to Japan, I would be more than willing to accommodate you Mr.M.
I have speakers, of course. A real man would pay his own airfare.
" A real man would pay his own airfare."
Agreed! What time will you be arriving in Düsseldorf? The challenge was yours. :lol:
Learning how English sounds is one thing; learning how to pronounce a particular word is another.
If a German teacher taught his students every fifth word in its Swiss German pronunciation, for instance, and every tenth word in Bavarian, they would make a very peculiar impression on their next business trip to Frankfurt.
The objection is therefore not to local pronunciations in themselves, but to local pronunciations with a misleading label:
MrP
Hi Kitosdad
I tried to look this old maxim up in many books, but couldn’t find the meaning. So, would you like to explain what this means?
Tom
And here is my attempt to pronounce the word budget.[YSaerTTEW443543]
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Budget.
My attempt for pronunciation the word “budget” is similar to yours Torsten.
Meanwhile,could you check my answer and pronunciation in the it is not a difficult question:) please?
greetings:)
So, would you like to explain what this means?
Sure Tom, it means one onto one. In a purely argumentative sense.
Kitos.
Kito,
Perhaps you could benefit from your own advice,
What the heck are you talking about now Expatcat?.
Hi,
Goodness me! This word is certainly causing a rumpus. Will anyone budge on budget?
Alan