Can you please tell me if there is the collocation ‘to take overnight’ as used in the following sentence?
The results take a minimum of four hours; in the past, if results took overnight, patients were moved to a hotel to wait — sometimes for two to three days, if doctors believed retesting was warranted.
What exactly do want to know?
If the phrase if results took overnight sounds natural.
Hi Torsten, @Torsten I have altered my message, I hope you like it.
The results take a minimum of four hours; in the past, if the tests were run overnight , patients were moved to a hotel to wait — sometimes for two to three days, if doctors believed retesting was warranted.
By the way, I also like the New York Times and reading the sentence there it sounds natural, however, in my opinion, the author should have been a bit more creative in writing that paragraph.
Well, this question had me thinking… and, if I should also add, rewording
sounds unnatural to me.
I feel ‘overnight’ has the meaning of a point in time (with a certain duration nevertheless) like today, yesterday, at night, in the morning…
So it should answer to ‘when’;
- When did the event took place?
- It took place in the morning/ at night/ overnight…?
It shouldn’t answer to:
- How long did it last? /How long did it take?
- It lasted/took overnight.
I hope that was a little helpful!
Do you have dictionaries? If not I’ll tell you what the Cambridge online’s entry of ‘overnight’ explains:
for or during the night. So this answes your first question: When did the event take place? Answer: ‘During the night’ which has a certain duration. But doctors will never tell you how long the the testing lasted, because the most important information is the result of a test. What do the results tell them about a patient? Ofcourse you could ask them how long it took them to run the tests, but that is not relevant, the results are. As I’ve pointed out in my previous reply: the author of the article should have been a bit more creative in writing. By the way, you can also say: ’The tests were conducted overnight.' So, I guess I have also answered your second question.
The fact that it sounds natural is, because it was written by an American journalist.
I hope I’ve been of some help.
Marc, can you please show as a dictionary entry fo the collocation ‘to take overnight’?
Torsten, what exactly do you mean?
What I mean that I don’t think the verb ‘to take’ can be used a intransitive verb in this way. A person can take a test (intransitive verb) but a test can’t take. A test can be taken by somebody (passive voice). Please let me know if this makes sense.
Ah, I should have realised,
Torsten, I checked Cambridge, MacMillan, Oxford and Collins. None of them have any such entry.
And yes, your reasoning makes sense! Although the entries didn’t provide that information.
in my previous reply I actually agreed with you.
I know Vivianna, but I merely wanted to explain why I think ’the tests took overnight’ sounds natural to me. It may not be grammatically correct, but the message is clear.
just to make clear, to you the sentence:
- The test took overnight to be concluded.
would be ok?
(or is there too much mix up here?)
No, Vivianna, absolutely not and to be perfectly honest, I cannot make heads or tails of what you’ve just written! Sorry.
Ofcourse, you’re right, in my opinion. In this context ‘to take’ cannot be used as intransitive verb. It may not be grammatically correct, but at least the message is clear and to millions of other people too.
Hi you two, @Torsten, @Vivianna
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I had to edit this post to tell you this, because one is only allowed three consecutive replies in one topic or so.
Torsten, ‘to take overnight’ is logical and can be used. To me, it means ‘if the time required for results involved (passed through) a night’. Doesn’t it make sense?
Thank you for confirming my statement, Anglophile. I’m thinking of you often, dear friend.
It takes about three hours for the result of a ‘thyroid test’. A ‘thyroid test’ takes about three hours for the result. (I think both are acceptable)
Hi Lawrence, sure the phrase makes sense and is logical. But I still doubt that it sounds natural. What if I said ‘the tests took very quickly’? Does it sound logical? Does it make sense. Yes, probably. Does it sound natural? Definitely not. It just sounds wrong. Maybe you can show me at least one more example where the collocation ‘to take overnight’ is used?